The Pivot Dialogues with Dave Schoof

What does real leadership require when the old maps stop working? In this conversation, Dave sits down with leadership expert and coach Andy Cahill to explore the fantasy that someone out there has life figured out, and the alternative Andy offers instead: learning to figure yourself in. They get into why so many of us are pulled toward crisis and quests without meaning to be, what it looks like to drop the change agenda in coaching and in relationships, and how strength and gentleness work together rather than against each other.
In this episode:
The fantasy that someone else has it figured out
Figuring yourself in versus figuring life out
How leaders unconsciously create the crises they thrive in
The change agenda, and what it costs a coach or a parent
Holding strength and gentleness together
The micro pause, and why real reflection happens in the moment
Book recommendations on embodied cognition and the psychology of environment
The Extended Mind: The Power of Thinking Outside the Brain — Annie Murphy Paul
The Architecture of Happiness — Alain de Botton
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Chapter Timestamps
⏱ CHAPTERS00:00 — Introduction04:57 — The fantasy of someone having it figured out05:26 — Figuring yourself in17:15 — The crisis I was creating19:20 — The change agenda33:52 — Strength and gentleness46:47 — The micro pause1:13:08 — Book recommendations[00:xx] — Closing question
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Andy Cahill is a leadership development expert who works with purpose-driven executives and entrepreneurs. Past and current clients include Microsoft, Marriott International, Alnylam Pharmaceuticals, Patagonia, lululemon athletica, The Obama Foundation, MIT, and a variety of A-to-D series funded startups in the tech and social impact sectors.
Andy earned his master’s degree in leadership from the Harvard Graduate School of Education. He is a professionally certified coach (PCC) with the International Coaching Foundation, and he is also a Level 2 certified Internal Family Systems practitioner.
He is also the host of Wonder Dome, a podcast with a global listenership that explores explores the intersections of philosophy, psychology, science, and spirituality. And his critically acclaimed science-fiction novel Gradient brings a mythic frame to the interplay of human and artificial intelligence, surfacing themes of leadership, cultural adaptation, identity formation, technological innovation, and collective resilience in the face of loss.
Website: https://wonderdome.substack.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewjcahill/
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We live in a culture that rewards movement. Answer faster. Decide sooner. Keep going.
But movement and navigation aren't the same thing. You can move all day and still become increasingly lost.
What actually makes navigation possible isn't a better map, more information, or greater confidence. It's something that happens before any of that.
Its orientation. Knowing where you are before deciding where to go.
This is a solo episode recorded during an unexpected pause in the south of France — and an inquiry that's been quietly reshaping how I think about The Pivot itself.
 
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Dr. Rodney King has navigated some of the hardest terrain a person can cross — homelessness on the streets of Johannesburg, a health crisis that ended his career, and the disorienting question that follows when everything you've built around yourself falls away: who am I now?
He came out the other side not with a framework, but with a direction. As a philosopher, coach, and founder of Coaching Philosophia, Rodney now works with people navigating the meaning crisis — the growing gap between what modern life promises and what it actually delivers.
In this conversation, Dave and Rodney get into why the modern world has confused excelling with flourishing. Why the self-help industry is largely a repair mechanism for a broken environment. Why you can be content without being happy. And what it actually looks like to find your way back to something real.
This isn't an optimization conversation. It's a return one.
 
About This Episode
Dr. Rodney King is a philosopher, coach, and internationally recognized self-preservation expert. Originally from South Africa, he spent decades as a martial arts coach with programs in 15 countries — working with everyone from Tier One Special Forces operators to airline cabin crew. A health crisis in 2020 ended that chapter and opened a new one.
He now lives on the Isle of Man and works under the banner of Coaching Philosophia — bringing lived philosophy, mindfulness, and embodied practice to people navigating uncertainty, reclaiming meaning, and learning to flourish in a world that has largely forgotten how.
 
 
What We Explored
The modern world has confused excelling with flourishing. Rodney had the car, the house with the right zip code, the global travel. He'll tell you directly that wasn't the best time of his life.
The self-help industry is largely a repair mechanism for a broken environment. When the chimp is rocking back and forth in the zoo, the problem isn't the chimp. It's the zoo. We've built an unnatural environment, normalized it, and then told people to optimize their way through it.
The meaning crisis is real - and it's structural. We are running ancient hardware in an artificial environment. The evolutionary mismatch between what we're designed for and what modern life asks of us is showing up everywhere.
Happiness and contentment are not the same thing. The Western obsession with constant happiness may be doing significant damage. Contentment is something you can actually build. Happiness comes and goes.
Vulnerability as a practice — from someone who spent his career in a world where it was seen as weakness. Rodney's move from fighter to philosopher-coach carries real weight here.
Viktor Frankl on the streets of Johannesburg. The book ("Man's Search for Meaning" ) Rodney happened to pick up two weeks before becoming homeless — and the passage that kept him going.
 
 
A Line Worth Sitting With
"Everything the self-help world advocates as solutions are really just solutions to help you slot back into the mainstream and keep the machine going. And I don't think that's good for us." — Dr. Rodney King
 
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What leadership instrument are you actually navigating with when the information environment breaks down?
In this solo episode, Dave Schoof explores one of the most disorienting challenges facing leaders right now: the gap between what the official story says and what people are actually living. Prices move week to week. Markets say one thing while experienced leaders feel something else entirely. And the default response — consume more, find better sources, read more analysis — isn't producing more clarity.
The problem isn't the data. It's the instrument.
In this episode:
Why the most important question right now isn't "which source do I trust?" but "what am I navigating with?"
The difference between the information you're working with and the instrument you're running it through
What it looks like to navigate from a steadier place — not detached, not checked out, but fully present without being run by the noise
A simple 30-second practice you can try right now
Why developing your internal instrument is the most practical leadership move available in this moment
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What does leadership look like when the old maps stop working — and the social contracts that guided your career have dissolved?
In this second conversation with JJ Vega, leadership coach and founder of Art of Unfolding, Dave Schoof goes deeper into the territory most leadership development avoids: grief as a necessary passage, natural cycles as an organizational practice, and the embodied awareness that makes a genuinely different kind of leadership possible. Drawing on William Bridges' transition model and their shared background in somatic and consciousness-informed coaching, Dave and JJ explore what it actually takes to lead well through endings — not just survive them.
In this episode:
Grief as a leadership skill — why it belongs in the room
The neutral zone: what lives between endings and new beginnings
Resilience vs. permeability — replacing the wall with a membrane
Regenerative leadership: honoring fallow seasons, natural cycles, and rest
Embodied awareness as the foundational leadership practice
Rewilding the human being — and the organizations we lead
Guest: JJ Vega is a leadership coach working at the intersection of the inner world and organizational impact. Together, we cover emergence as a leadership practice, somatic intelligence, edge walkers, the disintegrating success template, and whether the Hero's Journey needs a postmodern update.
CONNECT WITH JJ VEGA
Website: artofunfolding.org
Inside Out Leadership: leadinsideout.io
Co-Creation Loft Berlin: co-creation.loft
LinkedIn:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/jj-vega/
 
 
🔗 CONNECT WITH DAVE
Website: daveschoof.com
The Pivot Newsletter: [https://tinyurl.com/4vn8832a]
Substack: [https://dschoof.substack.com]
Podcast: [https://thepivotpodcast.net/?v=zm7s]
LinkedIn:  [https://www.linkedin.com/in/daveschoof/ ]
 

Leadership in a crisis nobody's playbook covers — what happens when the map runs out.
Three weeks into Operation Epic Fury, the Strait of Hormuz effectively closed and crude above $100 a barrel — this episode covers what's happening inside the people running organizations through it. The financial briefings tell you what's happening to the system. I want to talk about the moment leaders reach for their map and find it doesn't cover where they are.
Through the story of a composite leader I call Isabel — a CFO navigating this crisis in real time — I explore what it actually looks like to lead from genuine orientation rather than performed certainty. The difference between managing a situation and actually meeting it. And why the most practical thing in the room right now might be the one nobody's briefing you on.
In this episode:
Why working harder on the map is producing more noise, not more clarity
What paralysis actually is — and why it's information, not weakness
The 6 am practice that changed how Isabel showed up in the boardroom
The 48-hour decision that changed the outcome
What the unthinkable becoming real means for the next decade of leadership
⏱ CHAPTERS
00:00 — Introduction 01:30 — What the briefings aren't covering 04:00 — The moment leaders reach for the map 06:30 — Why working harder on the map stops working 09:00 — What paralysis actually is 12:00 — Meet Isabel 15:30 — Before — how she used to lead 19:00 — This week — leading differently 24:00 — The board call 27:30 — The Stefan moment 30:00 — The 48-hour decision 33:00 — What actually changed 36:00 — What this crisis is really revealing 38:30 — The question worth sitting with
 
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Leadership coaching meets consciousness work in this wide-ranging conversation with JJ Vega — exploring what actually guides us when the old maps stop working.
 
What if desire, not strategy, is the real GPS for navigating complexity? That's where this conversation ended up — and neither of us saw it coming.
 
JJ Vega is a leadership coach working at the intersection of the inner world and organizational impact. Together, we cover emergence as a leadership practice, somatic intelligence, edge walkers, the disintegrating success template, and whether the Hero's Journey needs a postmodern update.
 
In this episode:
Why emergence requires holding your experience lightly enough for something new to come through
The body as an intelligence system that most leaders aren't using
Edge walkers — the people at the margins, your organization is probably ignoring
The Michelangelo principle — revealing what's already there vs. fixing what's broken
When the old success contract stops delivering, and what the disquiet actually means
Desire as navigation instrument — the GPS for a world without templates
The Hero's Journey as fractal, not an arc
Self-organized communities and the new human blueprint
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Introduction & how Dave and JJ connected
01:25 JJ introduces himself — coaching at the intersection of inner world and leadership
03:00 Expat life — Americans who chose another home
03:48 What emergence means — holding experience lightly
06:38 JJ on emergence — complexity theory and the relational field
09:22 Making emergence practical — bridging the esoteric
11:40 Invisible winds of the system — why teams repeat the same patterns
13:51 The body as intelligence — somatic coaching and why leaders aren't machines
16:14 From controlling to holding space — the identity transition
18:32 Intellectually getting it vs. embodying it
20:39 Supporting the destabilization — how transformation actually takes hold
21:11 Case study — the high-performing technician becoming a people leader
23:35 The two axes of transformation — vertical inner work and horizontal skills
25:31 From mechanic to gardener — a new orientation toward people
27:41 The field multiplier — how one leader raises the whole team
28:42 Navigating polycrisis — what JJ is finding in the field right now
29:20 Functional freeze — why people are maxed out and what to do
31:16 Crisis as threshold — the opportunity inside the breakdown
32:15 Check-in — modeling presence in real time
33:19 The coaching relationship as a leadership model
35:10 Behavior is contagious — how leaders infect their systems
38:33 Quantum physics never took off — why the relational field is still too spooky
41:23 Edge walkers — pay attention to people at the margins
 43:51 The prophet not welcome in his own company
45:12 Upgrades to your sensemaking dashboard
46:25 Avoiding confirmation bias and echo chambers
47:22 The edge walker on your team right now — a concrete example 49:27 Polarity navigation — both/and leadership
51:16 Tolerating the unknown — why innovation requires accepting failed bets
53:42 White water was supposed to be temporary — why that story is over
54:03 JJ's life breakdown three years ago — the story of accelerating change
59:00 The new human — new capacities for a new world
01:00:31 Inheriting a template — and what happens when it disintegrates
01:03:58 The old contract is breaking down
01:05:23 Desire as the new GPS — what if spark is your navigation instrument 
 
 
CONNECT WITH JJ VEGA
Website: artofunfolding.org
Inside Out Leadership: leadinsideout.io
Co-Creation Loft Berlin: co-creation.loft
LinkedIn:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/jj-vega/
 
 
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Substack: [https://dschoof.substack.com]
Podcast: [https://thepivotpodcast.net/?v=zm7s]
LinkedIn:  [https://www.linkedin.com/in/daveschoof/ ]
 
 

Navigating the Polycrisis and Meta-Crisis: Strategies for Leaders in Uncertain Times
In this episode, Dave Schof explores the complex landscape of multiple simultaneous crises shaping our world — the polycrisis and the metacrisis — and offers practical tools for leaders to respond with clarity, resilience, and purpose. Discover how shifting from reactive survival to strategic navigation can transform your approach to leadership and change.
 
If you're feeling overwhelmed by complex interconnected crises, this episode offers a lens to see beyond the noise and act from a deeper awareness. Shift your focus from merely surviving the storm to understanding its climate — and start navigating with intention.
Most of us feel overwhelmed by the chaos of today’s world—climate crises, economic instability, AI disruptions, and collective anxiety. But what if the real challenge isn’t just managing these crises but understanding the deeper system that causes them? In this episode of The Pivot, Dave Schof reveals the distinction between the polycrisis—the storm of many crises occurring simultaneously—and the metacrisis, the underlying operating-system breakdown shaping it all. You’ll discover how shifting your perspective from reacting to symptoms to addressing core patterns can transform your response to chaos.
 
Key Topics
 
The difference between polycrisis and metacrisis and why understanding both matters
How the experience of overwhelm reflects deeper systemic patterns
Naming symptoms versus patterns to create space for decision-making
Practical attention hygiene practices to reduce reactivity
Using relational questions to move from symptom management to systems thinking
Reframing anxiety around AI and change as deeper fears about security and identity
Cultivating embodied capacity and relational awareness to navigate uncertainty
The importance of shifting your inner operating system to influence external change
Ways to incorporate these insights into daily leadership behaviors
 
Timestamps
 
00:00 - Exploring the shifting landscape of global crises
02:13 - The collective experience of overwhelm and confusion
03:11 - Understanding polycrisis: many crises occurring simultaneously
05:35 - Introducing the meta-crisis: the operating system problem
07:32 - Responding to the polycrisis vs. the meta-crisis
08:30 - Practical questions to understand what the moment asks of us
12:57 - The shift from drowning in the storm to recognizing the pattern
13:26 - Practical steps: 
 
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What if your strongest strategic signal feels like your weakest hunch?  
 
In this rich conversation, Dave Schoof sits down with Maurice Jenkens—host of The Intuitive Leader™ Podcast and an expert in psychological safety and high-performing teams—to explore the vital yet often overlooked role of intuition in leadership.
 
Chapters/Timestamps:
 
00:00 - Introduction

03:00 - Maurice's origin story with intuition

10:00 - The four types of intuition explained

35:00 - Neuroscience of intuition

45:00 - Psychological safety and team dynamics

55:00 - Morning ritual for intuitive mind

65:00 - Real-world applications and challenges

75:00 - Closing reflections and how to connect  
 
Guest Bio:


 
Maurice Jenkens is a two-time nominated Speaker on Trust, Psychological Safety, and High-Performing Leaders and Teams. He hosts The Intuitive Leader™ Podcast, where top global scientists, CEO,s and entrepreneurs share their best practices on how intuitive leadership boosts high performance.
 
Maurice's journey from high-performing sales strategist to leadership coach gives his work both depth and credibility. Backed by years of research, 50+ deep interviews, and 22+ years of real-world experience, his evidence-based approach builds self-awareness and helps leaders stay calm and strategic during uncertainty.
 
His programs help leaders read the room effectively, build high-trust teams, and develop strategic decision-making. Maurice runs signature programs in High-Trust & High-Performance and leads a by-invitation-only Intuitive Business Network (IBN).
Born in the Netherlands, Maurice currently lives with his family in Sweden.
 
Connect with Maurice:

 
Website: https://www.intuitiveleader.net/masterclass
 
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mauricejenkens/  

Podcast: https://www.intuitiveleader.net/podcast
 
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Music by Phil Schoof

Episode Description:  A senior executive had all the green lights for a major reorganization—board approval, stakeholder buy-in, perfect timing. Yet something in his gut wouldn't settle. When he tuned into subtle signals—brief sidebar conversations, shifts in energy, what wasn't being said—a deeper intelligence emerged. In this episode, Dave reveals the four essential capacities for future-sensing leadership and how to recognize strategic wisdom hidden in plain sight.
 
Podcast Description: In a world of complexity and uncertainty, the leaders who thrive are those who develop the capacity to sense what's emerging before it shows up in reports. Join Dave Schoof, international executive coach and leadership consultant, as he explores the hidden intelligence embedded in weak signals, somatic awareness, and relational field dynamics. Discover how to navigate rapid change with presence and wisdom—and find the future that's already whispering.
 
What You'll Learn:
Why gut instinct often knows what data doesn't
The four domains of future-sensing: somatic intelligence, relational field awareness, edge-walking, and question-holding
How to recognize weak signals before they become obvious
The real competitive advantage in uncertain times
Practical questions to develop your future-sensing capability
Key Takeaways:
Your nervous system processes information faster than your analytical mind
The most valuable information rarely comes through official channels
Weak signals appear weak because they don't fit current frameworks
Future-sensing develops through practice, not analysis
The signal isn't buried in the noise—often the signal is what we've been calling the noise
Resources & References:
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Guest: Dave Schoof is an International Coach Federation Master Certified Coach with 15+ years of experience coaching accomplished leaders and high-achievers. His background spans 19 years in government counterintelligence and national security, alongside deep experience with Fortune 500 firms across consulting, telecommunications, pharmaceuticals, and financial services. He specializes in helping successful people uncover greater meaning and navigate the meta-crisis—the complex challenges reshaping our world.
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Website: www.daveschoof.com
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